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How evil is Morgana going to be this season?Perfectly evil. But evil’s a point of view. I’m not sure I think of her as evil. I think of her as brilliant. She’s a bad girl. You want to be a good girl, or do you want to be a bad girl? Which do you prefer? Everybody loves a bad girl.
Think about it. Everybody knows where she’s gonna go. I think everybody’s been waiting for her to get to that point, and the way they’ve done it is very clever. I think you’ll find her quite sympathetic. But by the time we get to Season 4, I think you’ll really enjoy her, because she’s enjoying it.
Where is she going to be living, and what will she be doing?
A year has passed, so I’m sure she’s no longer in Camelot, ‘cause that would be difficult, seeing as how she, you know, took the throne.
Is she with her sister?
I can tell you that Morgause is back. We have the brilliant duo that is the Evil Sisters. They are back. Basically, it feels like for the last few years, that in a way, she’s been playing a role. She’s been playing the part that she thinks she should - the perfect princess. And finally now, in Season 3, we’ve started to see the other side of her. And now in Season 4, I feel like she finally is being herself. She’s finally embraced what it is that she should be. She’s more Earthy. She’s sort of back to nature. She’s embraced her magical side. Where she’s living, and how she looks, and everything, all reflects this sort of new acceptance with who she is. She has finally, truly, accepted all that it is about her, and all that it means to be magical. And she’s on a mission.
Her clothes have always reflected her as well. Can you tell us how that has changed?
I like to describe her as a goth Jessica Rabbit.
She’s no longer the first lady of Camelot, so I think her image is going to reflect that. [On the posters], she’s dressed in black. She’s obviously evil. There’s no denying that.
Her clothes, I think in a way for Morgana in other seasons, were a distraction for her. She didn’t have anything else to do. It was the part that she was playing, and who she thought she had to be, and now she’s not like that so much. Her clothes are now going to reflect that again. But yeah. Goth Jessica Rabbit seems to cover it. It’s subtle, guys. It’s real subtle.
Is Morgana seeking a man in her life?
Why does she need one?
It could be fun. I used to sort of joke at the time, that Morgana needs a man, but at the end of the day, the real romance of Merlin, and the real romance of the Arthurian legend, is Arthur and Guinivere and Lancelot, and anything else really does take a second seat to that. It would never be as important, and it would never be as much of an impact of that romance that you know. And I think at the minute now, with Morgana being where she is, she is on a mission. She is absolutely single-minded in what she has to do. And I honestly think a man wouldn’t fit in. At the end of the day, we only have a certain amount of minutes in an hour, and I think it would take away from the storyline.
What is her relationship going to be like with Morgause? Is she going to take a more dominant role now?
I think if you think back to Series 3, with the dragon talking to Merlin and saying that “she is the darkness to your light,” she is going to be the foil to Merlin. She is going to be as powerful as Merlin. Which stands to reason, then, she will become more powerful than her sister. So, for her to be truly a villain, she must actually be a proper threat to Merlin, which means she’s going to have to be as powerful as him. Which is great for me. I think she does end up being one of the most powerful magical creatures within the kingdom. And damn right she should be.
Did you go back and watch Excalibur and The Sword in the Stone?
I love Sword in the Stone! Excalibur - I think that might have been one of those ones that you have to watch as a child, because when I went back to watch it, I was like “Okay. This is going to be great. Helen Mirren is in it. She won an Oscar.” And I kept watching, and I was like “Why is he in a giant shiny suit? Don’t understand it. What’s Merlin wearing on his head, and what’s with the hair?” I couldn’t. It was beautiful, but I think it was one of those ones that you had to love as a child. Because when I watched it as an adult, I just didn’t quite get it.
I read more than I watched. I’ve read a lot of the books, and I have read more for my own enjoyment, because Morgana was so well crafted on the page. And this was their telling of the story. Rather than look at what other people have done, I wanted to make sure that I got what they were telling right.
I read these things because Morgana’s a character that people adore, and a lot of women really identify with her. There are very few, very stronge female roles out there, and she’s very important to a lot of women. So for me, it was important to be familiar with all of these things, so that I could talk about it intelligently. So, I did read them for my own enjoyment, but less for the actual role of her as she was so brilliantly put on the page. They did a really good job.
She did have feelings of friendship for the others at one time. Is that all gone in favor of hatred, or does she sometimes have regrets?
I always give Colin a hard time and say, “you know, if only you’d helped me. If only when I went to you, you would have helped me.” I was desperately begging. Morgana begged Merlin for help. Not knowing, obviously, that he was magical. Merlin had Gaius, so he had somebody to guide him, and had Merlin turned around to Morgana and said that it’s okay, I think she wouldn’t have gone down the path that she did. If you think about it, she’s on her own, and the one person that comes to her and says “you know, it’s okay to be you, and not only is it okay to be you and I love you for it” is Morgause. So why won’t she go that way? In Morgana’s head, she’s been denied. Gwen betrayed her. She went over to the other side. Merlin betrayed her. Arthur’s betrayed her. Uther denied her to her face, his own child. She’s running on complete anger, and in her head, they’ve all betrayed her except for Morgause, so she’s with the people that she thinks loves her.
Who does she have the most interaction with this season?
We have a few new characters.
Any you can tell us about?
No. [grins]
The great thing about Merlin is, yes, Morgana is out of Camelot. Yes, she is a dark, evil Darth Vader presence. This is true. But, where’s the fun in that if she doesn’t get to interact with all of the characters again? They are so clever on this show, with the way they do it. They’re so clever with storylines and how they bring people in. So yes, she’s out of Camelot, but yes, she will still interact with everyone. Merlin will give you what you want, but never the way you expect it. So even if you know the legends back to front, inside and out. Lancelot isn’t the way you expected him to be. You don’t get Excalibur like you think you do, and you don’t even get Guinevere like you think. So even if you love the legends, you can enjoy Merlin.
Will you be interacting with Uther at all?
I can’t tell you! She interacts with all of the characters, but in a very weird, strange way that you’re not going to expect.
Is Morgana going to find out about Merlin’s magic?
I don’t think anybody ever finds out about Merlin’s magic. Not for quite a while. No.
Does she suspect it at all?
I think she suspects there’s something different about him. And not only does she suspect something’s different about him, if you think that Morgause suspected it, and so obviously she would talk to Morgana about it. So I think she does suspect that there’s something. He’s a servant boy, and yet he keeps popping up everywhere, and he’s very known to Arthur. Why? I think that does niggle at her, but I think she suffers from the fact that she’s so powerful, that she can’t believe that anybody else is as powerful. She’s kind of a bit self-absorbed in that way. And I think part of the fun is the fact that nobody knows that Merlin has magic. That really makes their relationship between Merlin and Morgana much more interesting, because she believes she holds all the cards, but you all know she doesn’t. It’s fun to watch.
Are we going to see more friction between the two sisters as Morgana becomes more powerful?
You’re going to have to watch the first two episodes before I can say anything.
The sisterly bond is not broken, and it is never broken, which is nice, because for Morgana, that is the most important relationship that she has, and if that was taken away from her, I’m not quite sure what she would do. She’d be without a captain. She’d be oarless. She needs something to keep her going. But as it is, she’s on her mission. She’s on her plan. And she is going to rule Camelot again, in her head. Because doesn’t she look good with the crown? Come on. There we go. Better than Bradley would ever look [in the crown]. Better than Angel would look. You know?
Will Mordred be returning?
He’s a big part of the legend. He hasn’t appeared yet, so far, but it stands to reason that at some point they can’t tell the story if he doesn’t come back. So it stands to reason that at some point he will [return]. So far I haven’t seen a sсript that he is in, but you cannot tell the Arthurian legend without him. Asa’s probably slightly busy now, with Martin Scorcese doing Hugo Cabret, but we’ll get him back eventually. When it is, I don’t know. I think for Morgana’s story to be told properly, Mordred has to come in. Hopefully maybe they’ll age him up and he’ll be really good looking.
Is there any temptation for Morgana to be good?
Think about it now. In all fairness, Morgana ends up being the good guy. She saves Arthur. She brings him off and heals his wounds. So really, I am kind of like Darth Vader. I start out good, I go bad, but I ultimately become good in the end. So I’m kind of the hero.
Is Morgana going to have any happiness this season?
I don’t know. It’s weird. It’s not an emotion I ever think of. She gets to play pleased. She gets to play satisfied. But I don’t think she’s happy. I think she’s got too many things that she feels that she has to achieve.
But I don’t think Morgana was ever really happy. You know what I mean? You look back at all the seasons, I think she was very conflicted. I don’t think she’s ever been happy and carefree. I think that’s Guinievere. Guinevere is very light and sort of easy-going, and I think that’s her role. I think Morgana has always been conflicted. And honestly, even if Morgana got what [she wanted], she wouldn’t be happy. Because I think really what she wanted was to be accepted by everyone, and be accepted for who she is, and I don’t think that’ll ever happen.
Do you think Morgana still feels any love for Arthur, and if so, does she ever display it this season?
I think that one’s a difficult one for her, because at the end of the day, the only person that never really denied Morgana anything was Arthur. Any time she needed anything and went to him, he always helped her. But I think in her head, she sees him very much as Uther’s son, and I think she sees him as the ruler that Uther would be. Because at this point, it’s not clear to her that he is going to be accepting of magic. It’s clear to her that he would do what his father would say. So in her mind, he would deny her as well. He would try to kill her as well. So, I think she just believes that she can’t trust him, and I think that she believes she can’t trust anyone. That’s the problem with her relationship with everyone right now. She’s just so completely consumed with the other things she has to do. I think she’s just forgotten about everyone else. And it’s sad. She’s sort of on her own.
Merlin is going through something similar right now.
This is it. The only reason that Merlin is any different, is he’s been told the prophecy. He’s been told by the Great Dragon. He’s been told that yes, in fact, this is all going to work out. Morgana doesn’t know that. All Morgana knows is that these people will kill her if they find out who she is, and so what is she going to do? She’s going to protect herself. Again, had Merlin only told her… so really, it’s all Merlin’s fault. Thank you very much. He is the bad guy! I am the hero, he’s the bad guy. How many people has Merlin killed? How many people have I killed? There you go.
Will we see Morgana with a sword again?
God, I hope so. But she doesn’t really need it anymore. She can just do that [does magic hand gesture]
It seems she still hides behind Morgause with her powers. Is she ready to step out and demonstrate her power?
By Season 4, absolutely. She is well known around, the fact that she is an extremely powerful sorceress. People are fearful of her powers. She has already gotten to that level. Which is great. Though the reams of Olde English that I have to learn. I have the ultimate respect for Colin. Although, he only ever gets two lines. I think it’s a punishment. I get spells that long [gestures], but Colin gets the tiny ones. How is that fair? Because it’s essentially learning gobbledygook. It means nothing.
What is it like to work with Emilia Fox [as Morgause]?
She’s unbelievable. I’ve worked with her before on a few other things, and I think a lot of the great relationship between Morgause and Morgana comes from the fact that Emilia is so wonderful, and I’m very fond of her as a person. She really does have this proper sort of nobility to her. She’s very still, she’s very beautiful. She really does work as sort of a high priestess. You believe it, that she is that powerful, and also that wicked in a way. Which is great. And the more I get to work with her, the better. It’s difficult, because she does another TV show at the same time, so we get her to come in and do a little bit and run out, but she’s a big fan of the show, so she makes a huge effort to come back and do it. We’re really lucky about that with a lot of the guest stars who signed on at the start, who didn’t know what the show what the show was. They’ve really made a commitment to do it each year. Look at Santiago Cabrera. He signed on in one year, and every year he’s come back. And he’s taken off now, and he’s doing so, so well, and he still supports us.
How is Morgana using her sorcery now?
It’s no longer a passive thing. It used to be very connected to her emotions, but now she’s in control of it. So, anywhere that she is, she is able to use it.
Morgana isn’t tied to one place. She goes on adventures. She goes out and about. Even gets into Camelot. And anywhere that she is, she is allowed to use her magic, because she’s entirely in control of it now. She still have parts of it tied to her emotions; visions and things like that, that she’s not entirely in control of, but it’s nice that she’s finally become a woman, in a way. She’s in control of her magic. She’s in control of herself. She’s strong. She’s confident.
People ask me a lot if I’m at all like Morgana, and I am, in fact, nothing like her. She’s kind of the woman I’d like to be. She’s very self-assured. She’s very intelligent. She’s very strong. You finally see that in Season 4, which is kind of gratifying to play.
When you first signed on to the series, did you expect to be able to take Morgana to this point?
I hoped. But no. You talk to Angel, and Angel always says that she knew it was going to be a hit. But this was kind of the first job I ever got. I was just happy to get a job. [laughs] I turned up on my first day, and I didn’t know anything. The director would say, “Okay, Katie. So if you could just come in, hit your mark, find the light and then walk to the window,” and I was like “Huh?” They’d have to explain everything to me. So I was working on a day to day basis. I was just hoping they wouldn’t fire me for the first month and a half. And so, you don’t really think that far ahead. And then, as the year went on, and they started telling you all of the different countries that had bought it, and things like that… I think it’s better that you don’t think about it, because if you did, I don’t think you’d be able to handle it. It’s eight months of the year just sitting in a bubble, and it’s nice like that. You get to spend it with Colin, and Bradley, and Angel, and Tony. And you get to swordfight, and ride horses, and basically be a big kid. And play in a castle and be evil, and bad-@$ at it! And be Goth Jessica Rabbit! And I have an action figure! End. Of.
You know, my mum took my action figure and put it in a big wardrobe, and everybody who comes in, has to be shown the action figure. But she has it right next to the Johnny Depp Pirates of the Caribbean figure. And she’s like “honey, I don’t know what happens when I leave the room, but, you know, they’ve both got smiles on their faces!” But that’s really cool.
Did you know what it was that the producers saw in you, that made them say “This is our Morgana?”
I honestly think that they cast me because they thought I’d be better as evil than I would be as good. They were like. “Eh, she’d be all right for the first couple of years, but I think she’ll make a really good b!tch, so we’ll just stick her in there!”